Beyond Ben Bobo #13: Annette Walker – The future of cancer care

Beyond Ben Bobo #13: Annette Walker - The future of cancer care



welcome to beyond we're coming to you from Newport Beach we have an incredible guest today that has a very very important mission for Orange County we have a Nanette Walker who is the president of City of Hope and I just have to stop a second because there's a background and that has six children multiple grandchildren and what I'm about to read to you is like wow annette is a visionary and health care leader tap to build the City of Hope an Orange County a 21st century approach to treating and curing cancer and other serious illnesses named one of the top 25 most influential woman leaders in US health by modern Healthcare magazine a top woman in business and a top 50 OC influencer by the Orange County Business Journal and that is a master at strategic planning and before coming to the City of Hope she served as president of strategy for Providence st. Joseph's Hospital which is by the way the country's third largest health system I didn't know that that's that's no small feat Annette's incredible legacy includes expanding access to wellness and preventive services for communities and businesses as well as leading the development of new tools and programs that empower the healthcare consumer which I know is a rage today in Washington and and certainly I think has been taking up in other countries the recipient of many national honors and a prolific speaker and writer annette believes her proudest achievement I love this part is partnering with her husband Chuck to raise a close family of six that includes a dozen grandchildren yep I mean we were talking before we just came on like you know I think it's much harder for women and career because if the expectation is to have a family and then have this amazing career I guess the question is how this all gets started for you I mean this is an amazing career you know actually I remember very clearly a point in my life where it became a career it wasn't almost a career early after I had my first few positions I was working because frankly we needed me to work you have kids you have to pay for stuff and it was a job and then there was a point and I I don't actually remember exactly how all the ways but I remember consciously making decision that okay you're gonna be here all the time anyway you're gonna you're going to be the best that you can be and you're gonna be the most that you can be because you're putting in the time so excel at it to decide what you want to be and how you want to manage your career as opposed to a job so when you first start out you didn't say I have visions of being a head of Providence st. Joe's or this or that you start off with I need to support the family I need a sports family and I actually think you know most people not just women start off that way and you know the great thing about I think the world that we live in is the the choices that we have in the opportunities that we have and I luckily worked for some really good companies where I was able to advance and diversify my skills without always having to leave and I was having to change and so I would I had several really long stance where some companies really adding to my skill set and growing in my responsibility so I was really fortunate from that point of view but no I didn't wake up when one day and and go out of college and say I'm gonna be a CEO of a health system it just wasn't even on my radar I just but I did know I wanted to always be the best I could be at whatever I did and so I say my work ethic and my drive were always about being excellent at whatever was in front of me well clearly as I as I look at some additional recognitions Orange County Business Journal innovated the year 2016 again executive the year 2017 in Los Angeles Business Journal becker's 130 women leaders to know I mean the list goes on and on and on and but clearly you've had a tremendous impact on health communities so it sounds like what compelled you then to become a leader is sort of serendipity it not fell into it it's not it's not fair clearly there was a progression where you had opportunities you developed your skill sets but ultimately and you said you know running a major healthcare organization once you got those skill sets that did that become more of a burning desire or did you just the opportunity presented itself you had the skill sets and yeah to her there were two things so there was another inflection point in my career which is interesting you know if like you said just for the show starters you really want to have younger people hear about what happened in your life that maybe they could follow I remember I was working for an organization and I had lay off this individual and the reason this memory is so clear to me because it changed my thought process about what I wanted to lead and how I wanted to lead but anyway I had to lay this person off who for absolutely no fault of their own was a victim of bad leadership decisions and you know I brought him into the office he was a full bottom estate in another country had a higher profession but didn't have the license here and I just I just couldn't get over that he was the casualty of a bad leadership decision and I had to give him this news and he he said don't worry I'll be okay but he had been supporting his family on this you know entry-level position and I he left my office and I made this resolution that I was going to be a leader that build things and I was going to be a leader that created opportunities for people and didn't create situations or would go way out of my way to make sure I wasn't creating in situations where people like him would unreasonably and unjustly suffer right or fail or fail yeah so that's interesting so what are some obstacles or challenges along the way of becoming you know ascending to a CEO position did you experience well I think early in my career one of them was that I had so many children and I had luckily I had good sponsors who were you know to me the sponsors are the ones that kind of clear the path for you but there were I'd say people in positions of authority that would say how do you do this job with those kids yeah and it started to be asked often enough that I was like they really think maybe I can't do this job with those kids and I I realized they weren't asking my male colleagues the same question I think a man who at the same time maybe had four children they would have said that's a nice stable guy we should give him more money he's got a big family surprise but instead they were asking me like how did I do it and and not in a good way and so I I stopped like talking so much about my family in certain circles because I realized some people didn't think that was a good thing and I firmly believe you should never put your personal life on hold for work right your personal life that that's what you're gonna carry with you wherever you go and never make that sacrifice for a job because it'll be the wrong choice you know it's funny when I asked a question how'd you do with six kids that's admiration speak and that's life that's impressive but you're right in the confines of a corporate culture politics and jockeying for positions I can see how that and also it depends on what your age is now when people say it it almost a hundred percent is admiration but when you're trying to advance and get opportunity and you're much younger and you're not proven yet it's more so it's a big headline yeah that's challenging what's yeah it says a lot about you to go through that process so when you're at the CEO of st. Joseph's Health what are the common myths or misconceptions about being a CEO of a major healthcare system well I think any CEO job the big myth is now you get to tell everybody what to do and you know actually I remember the first day that I walked into the office and I felt the weight of st. Joseph was a hundred-year organization I felt the weight of the hundred years and the 25,000 people I was responsible for and I really walked into the office understanding this was not my office this was this office represented much more than me and you know approach it with humility and a lot of discernment about the weight of what my decisions could do and the authority that he did have because in some sense yes you can't tell anybody what to do but even small comments have big breath and it I was surprised how little things that I would say would be taken to be so big and I I didn't even I wasn't even thinking that they were important these are you know little things like oh the coffee wasn't hot this morning people want me in emotion and but I think on the bigger issues I really I really did feel the weight but I was honored that I would be trusted with that but I did feel the weight of that responsibility so when you step into that role of 25,000 people what was that like when what prepared you to lead 25,000 P I think many years of working for people that I admired and some I didn't admire but mostly learning from them how to be the best I could be in reproach situations with confidence because although it didn't it didn't scare me at all I was surprised I thought I would go in and be more jittery I felt really calm and prepared but I I did like I said I felt the weight of it I knew I had serious business to be responsible for what did you know because a lot of people want to be a CEO and ever make it there but when did you know you had the skill sets it took to do that job and that obviously other people recognized that I think it's both a matter of this skill and attraction you know when you're you when things you do go well because a strategy probably is my sweet spot I have a talent for having three dots and being able to see what six are going to look like and and somehow envisioning something that doesn't exist yet we're going to get there how's it going to be and I have a I had a lot of experiences that reinforced that like the wellness you know initiative that I did that's one and then the other is like what gives you joy you know it's like I like to do that it wasn't just that it was good at it but I like to do cuz I think we can all do things well but we don't like to do them all right so I think it was a combination of reinforcement over the years of what is a CEOs role like some people think of CEOs roles be the best finance person I don't think that's the case I think you need to have the best finance person and you need to know how to use that talent but you yourself don't have to be the finance person the CEOs job is the most important role is to care take the future of the organization and so that is what really I think aligned with my strategy skills of you know how do we make sure this organization is in a good place 5 10 15 20 years down the road right that's that's good that's good advice for people that are seeking it so leads into the next core if someone wants to start a career in healthcare management and maybe has dreams of being a CEO what are some specific roadblocks look out for I actually don't think there's a lot of health here I think healthcare is like an incredible industry to work for it's one of the most important things our society provides to our communities and so it's a it's not we're not just making widgets to make a car go fast or not that that's bad thing but you're really doing something that changes people's lives and most likely at some point your own or your family's so it's a great industry now the variety of jobs in healthcare are also tremendous I mean you've got clinical positions and I actually started off as a clinical person I ran a clinical lab and I decided I liked organizing the structures that the clinical system worked with more than I liked actually doing the clinical work but there's a diversity of talents so if you like clinical and having the one-on-one patient impact that's one track and if you like the business aspects that's another track there's often philanthropy aspects that are involved in healthcare there's community connections there's so many different kinds of jobs in healthcare that are meaningful and fulfilling that yeah I think it's a wonderful industry the educational requirements are higher than most though so you have to be prepared you can't just show up and say oh I want to be a doctor today and the same applies for other jobs in healthcare they're highly specialized if the administrative jobs are really focused and specialized into what our industry knows now we are appreciating the influx of other talents into healthcare for instance digital skills are finding a place IT is finding a place but the real and I think magic is how you combine them so healthcare to me I I don't see a lot of roadblocks but it is hard work you know there's a um on LinkedIn I wanted to print this the other day it was really wonderful picture is a picture of an iceberg and at the top of the iceberg you see things like my bio that you read and people go oh yeah I have she had did like everything had to go perfect for her and everything was great and but below the iceberg see the frustration the times of doubt the hard just hard work sometimes all the things that led to floating it if such a great picture an illustration I've got to go back and find it because I want to use it because when I talk to young people a lot I think there's this tendency oh you know just because you show up for the first job and it's not exactly what you want it's not the right job now sometimes it's just about working through it and making it the job you want is the real talent of a leader interesting making it as so it's like the tip of the iceberg people see the tip and they see your title and what you're doing and they don't realize everything underneath every got you there yeah exactly yeah doesn't that make a great metaphor a huge yeah I could totally relate to it it's it's very true because that's but you know we're bringing in mention a very transactional society they want it now they didn't want to wait they don't want to necessarily it's not a criticism it's just the reality of how generation XYZ and Millennials have sort of seen the world because right technology everything's at my fingertips I get it right now and you translate that into a medical device or a healthcare career it takes studies it takes time it takes persistence there's no job that's like the perfect job right none and there's no track that is a guaranteed track it really is about how you make the most of everyone that you're in I had a boss that have this saying he's hit once called bloom where you're planted that's what used to tell me just bloom where you're planted because if you bloom where you're planted the next thing takes care of itself you know some people go in and say I'm going to be a manager and all their focuses well there are managers on being a director right and you know his advice was be a great manager and you will become a director just because you were a great manager I've never heard it put that way bloom where your planet that's that's excellent advice that's phenomenal it's actually was one of my best mentors here Tom Collins he used to be the CEO of memorial care okay and he's the one who taught me that and it's good that's one of the best things I've heard I like that iceberg and then that's that's a really good one so now you're appointed the president of City of Hope you have a very critical mission and I mentioned to you you know before the recording I had a very good friend who dealing with cancer going through this process and I remember getting a call from his wife and she was very distraught about you know that the process of care and it was very disjointed there was no point it was like go to this doctor go to this person and it's so stressful going through this process so I never talked to her and I said well you know I've heard of City of Hope but I think they have a quarterback approach where they have a point person that can direct you to the people you're going to have to go through in this process of care and that was really a poignant moment because this person was otherwise it was a very stressful situation and I know we talked about this and these this is not uncommon to hear yeah you know it's really something that I am very proud of about City of Hope and admire when I first came to City of Hope they have clinical expertise Bar None regarding cancer with 500 physicians and scientists who do nothing about cancer so their focus is about cancer and then they're surrounded by teams where the focus is the cancer patient and we are known for our supportive care in that special City of Hope touch that it's quite remarkable that such a scientific organization has a reputation just as strong in the care of the patient we have a physician Steve Forman I was watching a video of his and I think it articulated at best he said when you come to City of Hope we take the patient's hand and we never let go and it is so evident and I've been there just under a year now and this kind of comment this kind of gratitude for both the care and the way the care is provided is so distinct of the brand and of the City of Hope what people expect when they come to City of Hope I'm honored to be the one to introduce it to Orange County we have a lot of Orange County people who go there you probably would be shocked 3200 people from Orange County drove to City of Hope last year for care mmm and I was like stunned it's like wow that that's a lot of people and that's why City ups coming we're answering the call of those patients could you be closer to us because it's quite a burden to drive 55 that was my next question what's important to bring into Orange County what you're saying is like you said 20% of the patients have to go elsewhere during this epoch Lee stressful period of time in your life so much uncertainty to then burn them what drivin that transportation all that entails so please explain the importance or the strategy as you think about bringing Siddhi Pope here what does that look like yeah well the your right to 20% of Orange County residents despite when you look at this how could we not have everything we need here in Orange County when it comes to really advanced cancer care 20% of the residents who are diagnosed a year leave the county to to get the care that they need so we've been looking at that and actually since I started last year this is what I've spent most of my time on trying to really understand what that why they're leaving what they're leaving for and what exact services or combination of services to City Hope need to Green to Orange County to alleviate that so we it's not just our 3,200 patients it's many more than our patients who are leaving the county so we're hoping to address those needs so people don't have to leave because you're right it's the of all times in your life where maybe you could do something like that it's like for instance a hip surgery the complexity of cancer care in the duration of cancer care it's really hard I have a large number of people who've told me they wanted to go to City Hope but they just couldn't manage it there with their jobs or their kids or something so our plans are to have a network in Orange County our first office will open here in Newport in December okay but we're planning a campus in Irvine that's going to be very central to all of Orange County to access and what is it what's the campus look like what's going to be involved is that where you go to get care is it we're research is done or it will be to get care and we will be doing research also but some of the laboratories are gonna still being dirty we're not breeding the laboratories here but we're bringing the advanced research city of Hope has a bench-to-bedside philosophy we're one of the few organizations in the country that you can actually get those clinical trials that are under development for the most advanced kinds of cancers that are being reviewed you know and then or being treated and then we can use those on our patients that's not it that's not an ordinary capability you have to have quiet at infrastructure and such a strong science background really do justice to bring that to community so we're really looking forward to bringing that to Orange County that's huge and so you start in Newport you end up in Irvine when is it break ground or when does it open up in her you know I can't tell you that exact date right now because we're in final planning and negotiations with the developer but we are hoping soon to be able to be more public about exactly what and exactly when but we are trying to accelerate as fast as we possibly can having our foot pair on the ground that's fantastic that's it that's you know there's nothing more important to that and again when you're going through that that that process to have that peace to have it close to proximity and then to have someone who's knowledgeable to guide it yeah it doesn't get any better than that no that's not back after this message from our sponsor Serena Tex is focused on eliminating the biggest challenge to migraine management namely the subjective diagnosis of migraines and standard migraine drug therapy that results in undesirable effects and unproven results healthcare and lost productivity costs for migraines is seventy eight billion dollars a year and employers lose 113 million lost work days from migraines but did you know that more than 95 percent of those with chronic migraines have never sought help received a diagnosis or been treated serenity x has discovered a patentable technology solution for the non-invasive detection and screening of migraines we've tested our approach on actual migraine patients and it works to learn more visit serenity XCOM welcome back you know City of Hope is insane you said nci-designated Cancer Center and you know drive around there's a lot of people places that have cancer center but you have 500 dedicated physicians and scientists treating this really god-awful disease can you expand on that what does that mean to have an NCI designation for the City of Hope well it it what an NCI Center is dedicated to cancer and it's the level of I want to say resources that we've dedicated to specifically focus in on cancer and the kind of resources we have for instance clinical trials not everybody has clinical trials of the level that we have we I think 5 hundred clinical trials going on are an example so you've got City of Hope is you know a lot of people think oh it's a hospital up in Jordy well it's not just a hospital it's a hospital it's a care network we I think have 31 sites of care in San Bernardino Los Angeles and Riverside County it is research institute so you talked about the research and that capacity to do research many many people many places that have Cancer Center don't have that research capacity I mean you've got those 500 doctors and scientists trying to beat cancer and that's all they're doing we have the ability to produce the drugs that we're using in those trials not all of them that many of them so we actually have the production facilities and we also have a large genetics company so now when you're looking at cancer which is a different kind of disease than I want to say like a knee surgery for instance when you have a knee surgery or you have a knee injury your knee injury doesn't mutate cancer is an organism that has an ability to mutate so if you don't hit it with the strongest most specific best arsenal at out the first time and destroy it it can come back stronger right and so City of Hope has now this really complete suite of capability to go after cancer in such a way that very few organizations in the country would have that level of care and there's only 49 that have that designation United States and so you hope it's one of them and you're bringing it here and that's very significant other whole concept about mutation usually think about you know brain surgery aneurysms heart disease you got certain you know vascular in the heart that's been impacted or knee surgery you caught it you deal with it you move on but with cancer it does iterate and it does transform itself unfortunately so that makes a lot of sense it does and so you want the and of those 500 it's like all 500 em aren't doing 500 cancers we have a physician or several physicians who may be doing only the cancer you have and they've spent their life with a dedicated focus to curing that cancer so that's just six ordinary ability that's a gift you certainly nowadays if an organization decided it wanted to pop up and be this it would be very difficult because it takes you imagine the kind of resources it would take to build somewhere like City Hope now so my vision with the team at City of Hope is to bring that capability to Orange County and to make those resources available to the people who live here on the ground here so this a little bit of a controversial question but you know you look at Steve Jobs when he had his cancer and he wanted to go the holistic way and do all these other Eastern forms of medicine and I've seen this happen in friends lives where didn't work out so well what messages you give people that say you know chemotherapy the way they deal with cancer that's you know Western medicine and that's advanced medicine because if you go this other route you could have a similar outcome it seems to me and in my experience medical devices that typically the most advanced is advanced for a reason because its outcomes you're getting direct outcomes so what message would you provide people that say they're thinking about an alternative form versus sort of the Western approach to cancer well you know I'm not a physician so my opinion probably doesn't matter I do believe every patient though needs to make decisions that are right for them and what they're comfortable with and what they determine is quality lifer or not quality of life so but that being said you said we do have the amost advanced sophisticated medical system in the United in the United States of America and if it were me I would go to the most expert person and said you hope have some of those people and before I did anything I would say what are your recommendations and what treatment should I get and then I would make the decision on not only what I wanted to do but where I'd want to do it right so I think that if you walked away with anything remember that that if you ever do get cancer you want somebody with that kind of focus and capability behind them recommending what your treatment plan is and then you you have a right as an individual to choose what your path is I bet though statistically I bet the more scientific approach probably wins out more often than the sure the less or the mo holistic approach but so much we don't know that we're discovering every day and maybe some of those things will be combined at some point of time for the best outcome for the patient right and I had to ask the question because I think it's important and I've had personal friends grapple with that and it is absolutely individual decision certainly so let's transition a little bit here from City of Hope to kind of going back to your your you know just what I'd call meteoric rise in just an amazing career so far and now you're you're developing almost like a startup new trails aren't charted territory although you guys have a recipe for success but this is brand new here who's that person your life that you would say had or maybe one or two people in your life that had the most influence on your personal or professional development I think mmediately three of them come to mind one is of course my parents I had good parents just did I was very blessed in they gave me a good foundation of faith family and hard work they were kids of the depression and you know they so I had great great start there but there is a sixth grade teacher I've had I've told this story many times she was a sister of Saint Joseph of orange and I was in sixth grade and she I lived in Pomona I grew up in Pomona she drove any Cal State Fullerton and she took me in the middle of the campus and she said look around you belong at a place like this you can go anywhere you want to go you can do anything you want to do and I never forgot that I was like I it helped in stealing me some kind of quiet confidence that I could she maybe believed I could and then the third is my husband there's nobody that can have a career in a family like this unless they have a good partner and my husband has always supported me I'm like I said I didn't marry him and say oh by the way I'm gonna be a CEO and there's certain things that are gonna suck you know you're gonna have to suck it up but we kind of grew together and we and he always supported me and I am so appreciative of that because I have worked with many women who did not get that same support from their husbands and and I have and he has supported my success as much as anybody ever could so I am grateful that I had those people in my life that's wonderful so as you think about your career progression what are some career recipes for success that you received advice from maybe you know people you work for or people around you that really propelled your your success you know it's funny you keep saying propelled and I keep thinking of the iceberg when I was going through it it didn't feel like I was propelling but I think there's no substitute for hard work and good performance there's you know it just you just have to really be dedicated I did always really try to separate work and family you know when I was at home I really tried to just be at home and when I was at work I was very focused at work and I'm a good multitasker but I didn't try to cheat either one when I was with the other one I didn't always 100 percent at the time make the right decision but I learned over the years how to increasingly make better decisions that kept that balance and so I think that is extremely important and and your balance and your your mental space and I think as I grew in leadership the mental space becomes increasingly important that you are reflective and that you learn and that you consider like I said you know not always appreciating how big your words are that as you grow in leadership understanding how to manage that responsibility humbly and appropriately but I read an article on LinkedIn the other day is called windshield time it was written by the I think it was a founder of Pro logis and it was a really good article about how he was driving across the country and he appreciated that he got this windshield time because we're always so back to back don't take a moment to reflect or think or really the thinking and reflecting parts really important to as you grow as a leader and his article was talking about that it was like a gift to get some windshield time because we don't give ourselves very much time we over schedule ourselves and allow ourselves to to not give our mental and spiritual space room and when we do have time people are on their phones and you know you see you see families together and they're all on their phones I hear that rights drives me crazy so now we got more distractions and more demanding on our time and attention arey if you can go back and give yourself advice what would it be I think particularly earlier in my career I I would have probably been a little more assertive on some things because I I think things are better now for women but they still got a long ways to go but there there were some things I accepted more easily than I would now and like one of them was my pay things like that I'm so so grateful for the opportunity I just said I can learn something new thank you very much and but I think I would be more inserted and speaking up for myself on that and it wasn't like if any of you talk to anybody who knew me it wasn't like I was a Wallflower I'm sure you know that I probably was never that but there were some things on that and I think it would have been even braver my bravery is and become a passion of mine it's like be brave just go out eat it I have a sharing a quote from Lisa that I told her I wanted to write something on it says Joan of Arc says I am Not Afraid I was born to do this and I sort of how I feel like this city hope is maybe a combination of many experiences and no experience has ever wasted sometimes at the time you're not knowing why you're learning something I mean even I remember my state takes this class when I got my master's was like oh this is really stupid I've never learned this yet then three years later Here I am statistics helped me get the job I needed because I had those skills and so I think just patiently building your skillset broadly and pointedly it's important you know if you keep going this way and you become master or what's it called something of oh yeah you're master of all skill or what yeah it's the opposite you're master of none jack of all trades Moltres or trades a story you know you at some point you got to start honing in a street the important thing is who you work for not just the individual but the company do you work for a place that you're just proud of that you can feel good when you go home every day and tell your kids that you're really proud to work here in the work you do is important and then the person you work for is as important as the company you know it is you know I posted something on LinkedIn on Friday and basically was like you're where you're supposed to be right you know there's some people that are getting married and some people that are single there were people that you know Obama ended his political career at 55 Trump started at 71 and you're exactly where you're supposed to be it's really funny because it really resonated with people and I think there's a lot of people in organizations that are kind of stuck they have a really bad boss potentially or they haven't found their purpose in that job and I like what you said earlier where you know you just got to plant yourself and blossom where you're at and have a belief and hope that if you keep doing the right things the right things will fall in place because I suspect like a lot of us we won't always have the perfect boss but you'll eventually develop the more perfect skill set that will express itself at the right time you could always be the perfect boss though right yeah I had that's right early in my career I learned something I can't remember who said it to me but don't ever let somebody else be an excuse for what you do and what you can well said yeah the one other advice I'd say maybe is there are times what it is right to leave and you know sometimes you've gotten all the benefit or you've given all to a certain company and to get it to next level growth it's time to go but it's not every other year I mean it's it's something you need to think about it and I was talking to someone the other day and I said okay you're at a point where you've got a couple of options here and you look at yourself 10 years from now which of those two options gets you closer to what you want to be 10 years from now not not two years because it might be a challenging or difficult two years you might have to work harder for two years but which one will get you where you want to be 10 years so a little more longer-range thinking I think is good and that's profound and very important that's great that's a great piece of advice is there anything you'd like to tell the audience we haven't covered oh I don't think so I just really enjoyed this but just you know we live in such a great time with so many opportunities to yes find work that you're passionate about and then to really make a contribution so I think as long as you find your work purposeful you can work in many many places and really excel absolutely but if there's not that purposeful connection thinking if we're gonna happen it's a long walk it's a long walk it's a long full walk and that doesn't mean like oh you tell your kids like just find something passionate and you'll be great at it that's not always true sometimes you know I'm gonna pay you for it I mean but there's that purposefulness is really I think what the magic very very important to have that purpose and what you do so where can the audience learn more about you and the City of Hope well LinkedIn our City of Hope webpage and keep their eyes out we're gonna you're gonna be here on very soon a lot of activity that's gonna be going on with us in Orange County so that's exciting thanks so much I enjoy the conversation I really did too yeah that's it for beyond coming today again from Newport Beach wardrobe provided by John 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