Nutrition Renaissance by Dr T. Colin Campbell!

Nutrition Renaissance by Dr T. Colin Campbell!

and this is another man that does not need an introduction I know you have changed my life and you've changed I think everybody's life in here because of the many battles that you have fought for us the countless tireless hours that you have spent writing the amazing vision that you had so many years ago even coining the term whole food plant-based so dr. Campbell it is an honor to have you today welcome thank you for being here well thank you very much dr. Stowell and before I start I do want to make a point and really acknowledge what dr. Stowell and Susan Bennigan's and Tom Dunham have have done they've stepped it forward in the last three or four years and really organized some really nice conferences and so it's really really nice to work with with this group I started this journey 63 years ago this August professionally and so I've got 63 years worth of data to talk about in the next sixty three minutes it's not going to work quite that way but in any case I've gotten to a point in my career when I'm able to look back and in a sense and sort of try to get a feel for where we've come from and what we're doing now and where we should go and and so I actually just about finished another book hopefully it's going to be coming out in the fall where I'm trying to remember they're sitting over there sort of thing and seeing what I think is missing one of the things that I would suggest is missing is the idea that the way we have actually talked about the science of nutrition the topic of nutrition is it's a bit old and we need to think about a different way we tend to talk about nutrition in terms of individual nutrients doing something by way of some particular mechanism that's actually some particular disease if you will that's really caused a lot of mischief for a lot of confusion for many many years it's actually set back the whole science of nutrition and thus it has set back to the whole food plant-based movement if you will with the larger community because with all the confusion that seems to exist in this field in general to say nothing of the whole food plant-based nutrition itself it's problematic so I've written a couple papers in the last couple of years one of them called nutrition Renaissance and that's the title of it I have it here I'm not going to be able to get obviously to cover that subject fully here but I kind of want to just lay the groundwork that I've spoken about often that serves as the if you will the basis for some of this new kind of thinking I'm excited about this new way of thinking about it because there's the kind of kind of information in a way that my view is inarguable it's in all your boys there's basically a reflection of what nature is and how nature operates with the food that we eat and it's a far more complicate in different complicated as far as molecules and atoms and reactions and so forth so on a concern so it becomes a question not of what what one thing does or doesn't do everybody has to do with from a scientific perspective it has to do with standing back and trying to get a sense of this and vast enormous amount of information we have to deal with you try to make sense of it I'm going to share with you quickly some of you I think probably heard me speak before and I apologize for I'm gonna go over and watch the same thing and it says but just to leave you with just a couple of observations not get too deep into the weeds about the details but try to look at it as sort of a broader perspective I've been obviously in the professional field of the rosula biochemistry most recent years since 1975 at Cornell University so I'm in that if you will a so-called establishment if you will you know work just actually what focused on nutrition and so I'm actually anxious to tell this story not just to the public at large but also to enlist the support of my colleagues in the professional field I came from a point of view that was exactly opposite that which I now espouse I was raised on a dairy farm milking cows and and then when I went away to school or great University I actually they did my doctoral dissertation on the idea that of all the things about nutrition we need to know when pursue was the idea that consuming animal-based protein was the most important so my doctoral dissertation was exactly that a little bit technical but they think it was designed to figure out ways to make more efficient our production of animal protein so we could consume more and then shortly thereafter hours of the my first faculty position I was at Virginia Tech where I was assigned the tasks that they are among other things to be the coordinator for nationwide program and female there's children in the Philippines it was there that I learned something that set me on my career I learned for example that I was wearing two hats won't have to do with cancer research yell to happen to do with a nutrition research and but I saw something that was a Todd's with what I just showed you that the whole question concerning making animal protein more more important what I saw those children in the Philippines who were consuming the most protein seemed to have a higher risk for liver cancer kind of an odd thing one would have thought it was exactly the opposite but I knew that I knew some work from India at the same time they came out showing this was experimental animals in this case experimental rats that were actually being tested for their ability to form this kind of cancer liver cancer and so these researchers thought you know we they wanted to know something about liver cancer because of pretty prominent in that part of the world so they thought like many people would in those days if they gave these animals more protein it would be protected maybe against getting the cancer so that's what they did this a quick summary one group was fed 20% of total energy is protein yellow is five percent once on a little on the high side the others on the low side but more or less the range that we humans use and this was these were animals had been exposed to a carcinogen to give rise to cancer right and they very very powerful carcinogen it was the most as still as today most powerful cars ever discovered so they just put him on his diet and 20 percent 5% they said thought at least hypothesize that the animals get more protein they get protected so that's the results we got not a big study but they had that the animals on a higher protein they all got cancer the animals in the 5 percent did not really striking as I say I've emphasized this a small study but nonetheless because I was wearing two hats going in the Philippines to try to introduce lis consumption more a protein for these children yet on the other hand saying this I mean obviously something's wrong here so that's really what got me started to get involved in doing the basic research and this question is this true I mean I did I tend not to believe it from my own background so we got money from the National Institutes of Health and National Cancer Institute in particular a net one pick or grant that lasted for the next 27 years and I had a lot of students fellow researchers and who got involved as Lee and so forth and I just wanted to know is there any possibility this is true that higher protein actually might increase cancer so we use this model to understand that I wonder understand – something about canceled because in those days we didn't seem legit from my perspective didn't know a lot we sort of knew that cancer started with genes maybe maybe the genes had been mutated and so forth but that was about it there wasn't much to do with nutrition you all had to do with environmental carcinogens so there again what was what I thought I saw on the children what was produced here both cases more animal protein more cancer what I'm showing you here is a little experiment we just did what Indian workers are done feed you know all the animals have been exposed to a carcinogen but then we had one cook 20% in the other 5% and look to see what happened in the early part of that cancer in first 12 weeks for example so when we've had 20% these cancers were growing really well shooting right up there fed five percent nothing and this now both groups had the same closer to the carcinogen and keep in mind carcinogens are those chemicals in our environment that we get so concerned about environmental chemicals if you will a lot of people think we get cancer because of those it's not really true but in any case here we got this really powerful carcinogen just treating them with protein and saw the spectacular results among other things I wanted to do see what would happen if we changed the diet back and forth beam 20% let's say for the first three weeks those early cancers are growing quote with all day and 5% cancer went off on off that was really exciting because nothing had been shown and even given a hint they cancer grew in response to nutrition it was also and who made people today still think that our cancer comes from chemicals we'll come back to that little later on so we could turn cancer on and off I couldn't have imagined anything quite frankly more exciting than that being able to turn chance to on and off with a very powerful carcinogen just by manipulating protein intake suppers I'll get ahead of myself a little bit I will tell you that's all animal protein it's a protein in cow's milk as many of you probably know plant protein did not do that even when it was fed at 20% so there's also something very special about protein of animal origin specifically in this case it had to do with that the protein of cow's milk that's what I'd like to show that story I grew up on a dairy for I'm milking cows and I I just did like everybody else terribly ate a lot of dairy and meat and so forth so it's kind of hard to recognize reconcile that with what my own background was and so forth here's another little slant on that story and that is that if the animals are fed I mean if they're exposed to a carcinogen and a cancer doesn't grow if they're feeding 5% protein and so I thought well maybe after you 10-12 weeks or so by that time that car sensor would have already disappeared from the body it wasn't around what would happen if we just gave some protein and then you can see there which led to a very pretty exciting idea and that was the nuggets I'll jump way ahead without all the data and simply tell you that we get cancer according to this hypothesis here we tend to get cancer because we've all got some genes that's been changed they mutated one way or another was chemicals here in every place we've got some genes to give rise to cancer of all kinds by the way some of us have more of that and they live but that's that's kind of by that beside the point those genes will like dormant as C's doing a you know plot of ground they'll lie dormant be late and they won't you won't be seeing them do anything for much of one's lifetime it's not in heaven we start putting some fertilizer on them if you will in this case animal protein they start growing when they start growing you can turn it off again gives you a sort of suggest something else that's very exciting may be cancer it can be treated by something like something crazy like just simple nutrition so out of this simple experiment years ago I think this is this stuff was going on like 40 years ago in my laboratory I was getting on to something I felt was really exciting understanding so I'll think about cancer hadn't been known before first and secondly he also notices something about protein animal protein genes are like seeds we spread seeds all over the place you know the seeds don't grow unless you have some Sun and some water and decent temperature they can just lie there dormant and then when we put back the water and the Sun as fertilizer through well they might start to grow that's what cancer really is I'll come back to it later it was very provocative then or I need to even say that I know it's kind of speculate more in those days than I do now but in any case that idea has escaped the Cancer Research divinity come back to tell you what I mean by that you know many of you may find it surprising if you're just coming into this field for the first time we talk and get excited about what nutrition could do to heart disease and cancer and diabetes so forth and so on cancer we say things like oh if you eat meat if you do animal foods if you do this and that we have a higher risk for cancer but you may not know the experiment has never been done in a formal professional way has never been done to take a bunch of people with cancer and then change their diet see what happens very exciting it's never been done quite that way with a whole food just not one thing it's a whole plant-based food and my younger son who co-authored the book with me the China Study who was in theater at the time an actor he eventually went off to med school he got very excited about working with me and then eventually got his medical degrees residency and now he's the medical director of a program at a major medical school actually taken up this research he's got a study underway right now was one of them was breast cancer stage four breast cancer these are women whose cancer has returned what he's doing is to see if he gives him this trying to diet what will it happen they're saying you may be surprised that's never been done but it has not we tend to do research in this field one thing at a time was it part of the problem we don't like to look at things more holistically so we'll see what what I'm not going to speculate at this point in time it's a very first step and we'll see what happens but that kind of research needs to go forward there's a whole new dimension for what refers to me if it works out something about this question concerning protein turning on cancer in those days when I was involved in this I was thinking simply like everyone else basically what's the key mechanism that accounts for this protein effect is alarming protein effect so in the laboratory we worked on this particular question for like 15 years I had a bunch of students who did your doctoral dissertations on this question I was looking for the mechanism what I mean by mechanism which enzyme is it which make what's event occurs is there some event there that can account for this effect of protein mind you by this time I'm still more doubtful and in order to be able to get more confidence in the idea that high animal protein could turn on cancer we had to look for what is the mechanism there's a second reason for doing it that way those of us have researched and notice if we can find these step and they're in the reaction of Secrets if we can find these step that we might block it maybe with a drug maybe when you stop cancer in fact that's the basic thesis for the entire pharmaceutical industry so we look for a mechanism those are three stages of cancer development by the way initiation promotion and progression initiation at that stage were normal cells have been converted to cancer cells and the second one is one just cells are dividing dividing and dividing and going into a mess third stage that's when we're usually diagnosed with with the problem in any case we look for the mechanism first stage initiation that's the stage work the chemical comes into the body goes into the cell and then cause us to be a mutation that's the store chances that's the idea so that first stage actually is more complicated than that high protein elevates the enzyme that activates the carcinogen when you feed more protein that's enzyme that actually activates these carcinogens the high-protein increased that enzyme activity a couple different ways in fact and when what I'm saying so the chemical comes in and I was in the cell enzyme acts on it produces a product that product is very reactive chemically so reacted that is EPS the DNA binds to the DNA for example DNA is part of our genes and so when it comes to in and hits that gene like that it corrupts damage to the DNA and then if the cell device at that point it passes on the next generation in reality we have mechanisms on a normal state that when that happens that it's happening all the time what happens when the DNA is being zapped with a chemical rentier now maybe to do some damage we got a mechanism called DNA repair that actually can reverse that corrected and that's part of this first stage we look for the mechanism each one of which you know required about three or four years worth of work somebody doing her doctoral dissertation every time we look for the count the mechanism might account for this protein effect every single one of those mechanisms we tried there got turned on the high protein diet and increase the amount of the car student coming into cell it increased the ends of activity that activates the carcinogen and increasing the amount that was binding to the DNA and there's that this is worse there's one mechanism there that's our benefit we have this ability to repair all that kind of damage it's called DNA repair as they just mentioned it turns out the high protein diet actually compromised that activity another we've got a fail-safe mechanism here it's working all the time it's very very efficient but the high protein diet corrupts the fail-safe mechanism that's what happens so I didn't know at that point in time which were these mechanisms is amenable to let's say blocking her in some way we went to the next stage the next stage is promotion and so we looked at a bunch of things they are too I won't go into details each one of those are worth a couple of hours of a discussion in a scientific sense but basically there again once these tell cells start growing they've just shaped things that are they're working away on creating initiative and their cells are dividing and dividing and dividing at that point in time the body who draws from the immune system the immune system starts producing some cells called natural killer cells it's a good name those natural killer cells are basically there for in the body to actually kill these new cancer cells have just formed again a very efficient process that's one of the failsafe mechanisms we have and what the high-protein diet did it actually is that it compromised that too and they did a bunch of more things the high protein got all this I mean there were ten you know in those efforts there were ten I could count twelve possibly different mechanisms we were looking for to account for just whether this high-protein diet really meant anything and every single one of those things we saw every single one of those events changed the response to the high protein diet in the same direction it knocked down two of those events there or there to help us out all the rest are kind of encourage details for grow so at this point in time I'm saying more essentially what do I do next which one of those mechanisms is amenable to working with it in some way maybe to make a drug if you will that sort of thing when a plant occurred to me that there is no mechanism that was a really radical thought I suggest for your thinking because that is in fact the question most often asked for those in the drug industry when they want to make a new drug they're looking at a diseased woman like this what they'd like to find is the mechanism that accounts for that and we're going to hit it with a drug that's the entire drug industry to a great extent there's none which racially some really serious questions about the whole world of thinking about drugs so there you have it for protein concerns i say the high protein diet causes these cells to form cancer cells and they start growing real fast and all that sort of happens the SYP SYP SYP right along as long as we're eating a high animal protein get rid of it which off and experimentally at least they think this comes back to the other direction so my point of all this is that there's some lessons here I saw some very provocative things the governor to get me in trouble you know to talk about you know the cancer industry not doing things quite right or questioning that Revere and protein a high animal protein that was kind of deadly in a saves in the cancer community but there it is this is serving as background for the book I will be telling about in the next few months when I get the book that I'm really actually to tell the story you know what the final part of the story is because I say it's going to supersede anything we know as far as nutrition and disease is concerned the second stage here I just put out picked up one of them the natural killer cells there's an initiative that it started at the National Cancer Institute just after Obama had left office somebody convinced him group of cancer research as I'm sure that they needed another four point eight billion dollars they got it it was appropriated and it was being kicked off under Joe Biden's name not quite honestly to a great extent because of his son unfortunate occurrence so that that program was kind of taken off has been taken off since it was justified the large measure mr. Florez a lot of news reports are concerned I think but superficially but it was being justified that this new idea and it called it for basically precision medicine initiative sound like nice words precision are going to get it medicine initiative so now they're looking for finding a mechanism and one that focused on was natural killer cells we did that work with natural killer cells 30 years ago nobody paid much attention to it and what we found out was that protein could control that natural killers activity better than anything so now they're coming along and I want to obviously do the thing I'm suggesting point let's find a drug to see if we can stop that so take-home lesson cancer like many diseases but especially cancer it involves infant numbers of mechanisms it makes no sense that what we tend to do in science go and just find one thing you say that's going to give us all the answer doesn't work that way in 2002 at this point in time I'm getting kind of exercise I'm going to talk about it finally I decide to sit down like the book at the insistence of my wife stop complaining just put it down and so my son and I were sitting and working on this and so some of these your profound kind of observations were coming into the forefront and I was interested to see does any of this apply to any other decision besides cancer here's a list this list here is a bunch of different diseases for which there has been evidence in the literature for upwards of 50 to 60 years and ignored not in a complete detail of course the researchers were working in these areas they didn't develop fully but nonetheless there was evidence all of that sort of got ignored and when I say ignored and I'm talking about these diseases look at the title the whole food plant-based diet and one former prevents suspense and or cures all these diseases so there's the kind of an old story it's kind of sort of is an old story and people didn't hear about it much but and not nearly as detailed as what I just shared with you but a lot of diseases here seem to be at play the whole food plant-based diet is very broad they said it doesn't want one disease it's very fast we know now people who have some problems disease or otherwise if they go on to this diet and ten days you'll see cholesterol plum like that you're seeing a lot of things happen many of you may know about this so it's fast its broad and if it's sustained which it needs to be this diet thing is not a drug here now takeaway layer there's something you have to go to do it and stay with it don't go back so it's that kind of thing so it's basically a lifestyle and one of the exciting things that comes out of this from my perspective of the research we did was this possibility that the whole food plant-based diet not only prevents future disease we might just is not necessarily worry about but they can really exciting for this message my perspective this is a means of treatment now we're stepping on some very sensitive territory because that's the purveyor of a few wolves and medical institutions to come in and say we know okay we got some patients that's the first thing we can do let's put them on his diet we already know now we have a lot of evidence not enough publish it but we have a lot of debits when we do that remarkable things happen so this story's become much larger this is not some fly-by-night idea you do this and you won't get that in the futures stuff like this this is the total package dr. s isn't my very good friend he and I became friends thirty years ago actually when he learned about mine done learned about what he was doing so I want abyss put a comment here about that he as you know got a bunch of heart disease patient together and gave him this sort of diet he called us something different the time he was a physician and he was doing it that way and he got some remarkable results dr. Dean Ornish had started his work about that time a little before actually and so between dr. Ornish who you've heard here this morning dr. Ashlyn and actually another gentleman back in the 1950s who was ignored it's considered to be a crank Morrison mr. Morrison they showed that heart disease in this case should be reversed he had this study that he sorted dead he after he did the first study you know about then he came along and retired same time I did he was at Cleveland Clinic I'm not Cornell and he was still taking patients in and counseling them and here's the way you do it these are all heart disease patients you go back later and ask him hey you're still doing that a certain number dead 89% dead 11% tonight those who complied with his advice whole-food my base only one person had a cardiac event in their to three to seven years the other sir did not follow the advice sixty seven percent of them went on so I just want to put that in there as just to illustrate you know how this information I do is kind of common to the other with certainly that had you know influence on me hasn't and dr. Ornish's here's something else about this field that had been troubles and I've lived it I've seen it I've been involved greater state at times and that is when this information started to be first told in 1982 the national credit me slash report there was a lot of interest in the idea that foods that gave rise to more beta-carotene in our blood there was a good thing because if you have more data character than a blood for smokers get lung cancer they got more beta-carotene blood comes from you know carrots and greens and stuff like that they got more very character in your blood mokos had a lower risk of lung cancer so beta-carotene looked like good stuff right there was an interest why don't we take the beta-carotene out and put it in a pill really make it good group of Norwegian American scientists got together to do a study they did a study on heavy smokers gave them pills they declared you another group no pills then it saw what happened after five years or so it turned out the ones with the the ones who were getting a beta-carotene from the food sure enough there are cancer lung cancers were down 19% it's quite nice but when they looked at the group who were getting their beta-carotene from the pills disease was increased that caused a furor at the time that was done that's now been shown for a number of different nutrients when in pill form at least the general consensus in the field that nutrition does not come from taking nutrients out of food and put them in pills no literally supplements and now where the game is yes you could see some really effects of impressions for people but it's not the way to go we're talking about and this is where the concept comes from whole food let everything work together like facial plantain now it gets so caught up in this nutrient done this is thatis or anything else for that matter let me just introduce you to another idea that's not well understood namely I'm going to just schematically trace for you what happens to neutral we consume it and then where it goes to it goes through let's say number of different stages they're all getting reconnected so I'm kind of dividing them up we consume the food let's say we know exactly how much nutrients beer consumed of course their digestion a certain percent of it is released from the food into the intestine Leslie the next thing there's a certain percent that is released in an intense that then is absorbed some of these things go into a bloodstream they're going to be carried in an inactive form and some of the nectar for the active inactive that ratio wants to know that's important to consider something's going on there the nutrient now comes to the cell door wants to go in and so it goes into a certain rate that's regulated and then it gets to decide to sell and then you know all kinds of stuff going on this reaction that reaction everything else we can know in the beginning in theory when in reality actually we can know exactly a much neutral region zone but that does not tell us that we know how much neutral is actually acting at the active site so there's virtually no relationship for the most part between the amount we consume and what what's actually functions that's a very important point because what really is going on here as the nutrient comes through there's a lot of variation up and down maybe a digestion maybe in one case there's only 10% in fact just another case it might be 50% I can make the same argument with each of these steps and we have individual scientific data to prove this point a lot of variation so all you need to do is think these changes the rate of what she goes from one step to another these changes that are occurring or happening within nanoseconds nanoseconds it's a very dynamic such a prescription like that so we can't tell from our minds in nor no way we ever will know we consume this word it we're going to get this much worse functioning no way as a presumption that people have made was all made that presumption some extent that they're kind of related not really what's going on here is that there's something else operating there something else is controlling things you know under the Sun if you will before I go into that point there let's say in theory we got all the numbers we knew what went from stage one to stage two stage three we knew the rate of which the transported and that's what we had in our nice numbers if we did that for one nurture now turn around and another nurture in there all that changes so I just want to add a word of caution in interpreting science that we've assumed for a long time we know more than we think we know you know what we left out of the equation no matter how much number crunching we do how much we know of this so that is something else there's something else operating here been left at equation we're sation nature this nature body seems to know what it does consider all those different steps and many more but consider these steps as transistors you Dimity like to accept a step and it's always changing within a nanosecond and then if you see really know what it is for wonder that it's all gone when you add something else everything changes stop to think what that means that means why are we so fixated not exactly how much nutrient is being consumed or how much has been the food for that matter but why don't we fix why don't we fix later you know with our minds on this mechanism and not that one and see how we're getting more sort of out of sorts here now was just give you a little picture would sell you an old nowhere cell as I think we've got between 10 and trillion hundred trillion cells in her body do you imagine that number and H cell was like a universe infinitely complex you got the nucleus you got a lot of convey got this and me got that and you're all talking each other all this is so dynamic there's my point it's so dynamic and I'll put that back what he just said you've got wonderful coming in there it's good me manipulated all these different ways in fascinating ways and of those that each cell incidentally is not it's a cell's like every got all these tenets 300 million Universe micro universes each cell not visible could easily sit on the head of a pin so you can't see him can you imagine that number cells that complex each of them being so small we can't even see them and they're talking to each other by the way there's a lot of stuff that's going on doesn't the yarn doctor trol to a great extent certainly we can't define that sort of stuff in terms of numbers so it sorta introduced it for me at least a very different concept a very dynamic system there's something we've got to acknowledge dr. we've gotta acknowledge that in terms of the Lycia were consuming and we only know just a tiny number of chemicals that we call nutrients there's few hundreds of thousands and millions of other chemicals in the food – especially in plants that we could give names to and they're actually like nutritious – so the whole idea of just calling a nutrient initiative nutria is not a very good idea to be honest about it so everything is working we're in this massive different ways a little more illustration of complexity this here is a first stage of metabolism we live as human beings capturing energy from the Sun he's put into some chemical bonds and some molecules and then we turn around take those molecules and zip as if we kind of unzipped them a little bit step at a time take any energy out of those bonds and put in another chemical so we captured the sun's energy come down and then the body chooses how to use that energy said it here said it there whatever again it's all controlled there's the first series of reactions I think both of you have heard of the Krebs cycle honey I propose a krebs cycle some has electrolysis this is really fundamental block chemistry nobody steps come in through there's just an exercise and capture an energy from the Sun and we depend on that putting into these molecules and then we taken the body delivers bits of packets of that energy around to do what we would like to have done that was what I used to teach biochemistry as we learned about things you know these reactions started to add up that was one a few years later it became that I stop and think you can't even read that and that was intestinal well you couldn't see it anyhow but you're all these reactions all going on building building building and this is only just a small fraction of the total we don't know so bad chemistry involves reactions chemical reactions a to BC it was just a plethora of reactions all sort of connected with each other in some way that's so complex it's incredible you get at that point that's like that's worth what that word says what in the world you know what are we trying it why are we fixating on one thing at a time you know just trying to make something big out of it I'm trying maybe to find a drug that might stop something it does it's kind of silly to be honest about it I want to show you how this plays out here's my chart again glycolysis and Krebs cycle here is an attempt where somebody found a reaction a specific aggression that seemed to limit what happened at the end of the line irrationally were pointing to was a chemical there called acetyl co a you can't see that but in any case that was discovered to begin to be the beginning stage of forming a really interesting compound that we worry about in those states let me tell you what's going to be and went through a series of steps lots of enzymes one of the most kind of key so the story way it was the formation of cholesterol estrogen other steroids so I'm just showing you a bum biochemistry to a chemical that's meaningful to us what we're learning here what was learned back in the 80s the chemical comes down like that and then starts to change the changes to change it and make some cholesterol we have to have cholesterol we have to have a cluster own body decides how much at once it's credible it sort of is important in our known function for starters but there was a time and still today unfortunately that cholesterol is a big bad guy don't eat quest all across his heart disease how many of you heard cholesterol causes heart disease oh look at that all the hands are up part of my book I'm going to argue cholesterol does not cause heart disease because with this new kind of thinking it doesn't it's not a cause-effect relationship hanging all these steps but in those days in eighties somebody came along found this enzyme but I should like a block to since I'm here I'll get my crush hold down cause cholesterol supposed to be you know cause of heart disease so they found there a specific reaction and then it sounded chemical the blockage chemicals trying to eat right there schematically the chemical was called statins so the birth of statins it was the beginning of the industry of the statins got shot himself now our standing here is gonna block that thing they give it to people and sure enough Collazo scored out more less arguably how much but it went down someone so they made a interest rate of this now the indices may just count I've heard about an eighty billion dollar industry lots of people take the sense because allegedly the claim is I think a block to formation cluster you don't get heart disease I'm over simplifying to someone stepped that estimates are probably tend to believe stabs are not working like a lot of people have you believe especially the index will tell you just does that yeah there's some little take care cholesterol down but the question is getting cholesterol down does that stop our heart disease the evidence on that is that statins do not tell you significant is that actually reduce heart disease rates you might should feel good there are some evidence that clearly of course of my colleagues has shown that yet every dose of heart disease by you let's say 9 percent 10 percent that's the best but these degrees also round all around the barn and I I haven't had an opportunity to go in to see the distinction between them so there's some evidence that yeah it gets down maybe correct hardly says go down but it but what you get with it is a lot of muscular problems so here we're making an eighty billion dollar industry trying to find that one reaction getting one chemical now there's different variations of Stan's get one chemical to block heart disease you see what s attented he was able to do far more and dr. Ornish they were able to do far more than working but just just eat the right food no comparison for me it illustrates this this notion of make as a truck too simple here's a similar case for cancer there's more more in my territory you know it cost this the size of 2014 figures they cost between 1.3 of 1.8 billion dollars to make a drug to treat cancer that's a lot of money that is a lot of money actually if you calculate if you add to that the the opportunity cost they call it if the money has been invested elsewhere it would earn some interest and so forth it comes up to about two and a half billion two and a half billion dollars to make one more cytotoxic agent that has problems or what was this year what we know about that a group of Australian and American scientists gathered to get a whole lot of data they went back to see how well are these chemotherapy agents working used the same concept and they studied a total of 22 different cancers and all the chemo therapies that went with it and so forth and it looked at how much people survived beyond five years did Viper survival increase for all these ones only by two point one percent it's a long together over the previous I think was at a time about 60 years of useless agents that comes from the notion of this notion when people say as cancer research to do cancer is caused by genes that's always initely outselves all you need to know just know the gene that's what they like to say and then get tested for and so with that notion not knowing about nutrition then then if it's all caused by genes those genes they're mutated genes they don't go backwards so the traditional thinking has been for decades the cancer is a progressive disease once started keeps on going forward it doesn't go back that's what we did in our animal study we made it go back but something really simple Victor nutritional means so they still operator this is something cancer is dangerous we got to take care of it let's get her drugged let's find something that will call them cytotoxic that means kill cells so they invented a lot of sanitizer drugs because she had to kill those cells that's the only way to treat cancer that doesn't make success first off it doesn't they don't seem but work very well when you look at the data in the aggregate and secondly because side effects you know the side effects decided to actually chemotherapy charge that's again an illustration major drug major problem with this simplistic thinking just short of talking about drugs incidentally there's a statement we've taken off the National Cancer Institute that's the Institute of NIH this cancer is a genetic disease that it's caused by changes the genes that control the way cells function that's the first thing on our website they spend you know a few billion dollars doing the research actually that Institute did fund all of 90% of my research just public by the other 10% all came from the public in other places so I've been really very much involved in the National Cancer Institute both in getting funding sitting on committees who determine who else is going to get funding as well as speaking on policy matters so I've known that is they do from the top to the bottom actually and I've lost faith in the way that we work things especially in this area here they still want to stick with his idea hundreds of billions of dollars making these chemicals now they've got some new versions not cytotoxic but other kinds chemicals that may be blocked natural killer cells for example anyhow it comes back to right there that's why that study right there illustrate in this concept don't we thanks to turn it on or off why we didn't trying to use these chemicals just to kill the cells again it doesn't make sense I'm coming back to looking at big complex mixture here and saying that's the drug protocol you know now we've got 93 or 95 percent of people my age all taking drugs I don't take any drugs never had I didn't want a couple of cases when I was said whooping call from one of the first cases but other than that I don't think Johnson drugs my wife 78 years old doesn't either and we don't need to go down the drug group the data that should become the norm in this country that's the medical system going to get you a new drug you know collect money according to researchers go to that and it tells stories after the fact it does personal if it doesn't work in theory the drug protocol is going in one thing at a time in complexity the nutrition protocol where if you get the right food you get all this stuff working together and begins to come into that system and works together as it's like a symphony I'd like to award symphony single notes even a single instrument sometimes they don't make it an orchestra like sound same thing here wants think about it a more holistic way that's word guy well I like for that purpose it somewhere to kind of conclude here homeless nutrition I'm going to find it that way multiple there is infinite nutrients let's say mortal mechanism multiple disease reverse almost all of this are not working together all kind of nicely woven together somebody's controlling all that no we don't have anything to do with it you said to screw it up we're just not we're not into that we haven't figured out how to do that that comes down to the whole food plate I said because it turns out that the best the best recipe literally is that recipe that has a whole collection of menus made of whole play based foods and you get these little remarkable effects across the board and I'm calling a fact of nature it's a fact of nature and that's what it's got me so excited about it and when you start thinking about it that way and then I just work I'm working on right now went back at the history of this field back to there's 1700 and I found some really interesting things going on at that time to begin to explain why we got into the wrong track which we had an idea then back in 1800 it was closer to what I'm talking about if we rejected it instead we chose the drug room now we have what we have that's not exactly pretty story so I say this holistic trician is a highly interactive integrated holistic system was a W on it – the cult is animal protein I don't even had it got a chance to get into you to tell you the story about animal protein the argument for the vegetarian vegan diet for example has largely been an S or one as all of you may know there's not a scientific one is that it really hasn't done a very good job that way and on the one hand it's a good idea yes and I support that that sort of thing but in the process that was a reaction against the consumption of animals for good reasons I didn't get there that way I get here through what I didn't you know a chance to describe to you and argument why we should never have ever eaten animals to science I'm going to say isn't there now make sure to go out there book to show what I believe is almost a reputable evidence to show from a scientific perspective from a historical perspective why did we get ever get on this track I believe in an animal protein most people think protein is animal protein why did we get on that track and believe in the animal protein was the centerpiece of our diet and causes so many problems hundreds of millions of lives lost it could have been saved billions we took the wrong path and so I want to come back and make the argument from a scientific perspective obviously gets into Politico it did not make social-cultural I mean all those issues come into play so my take on all of this eat Whole Foods yes simple eat Whole Foods just don't eat any that has an animal protein in it that's the big deal and then as far as attractive business concern take all these foods make them the way you like and there's infinite varieties of recipes use the spices and herbs to keep the ethnic cuisines that we like and keep them attractive at tasty you got okay I think a fantastic solution to the problem medicine has been a reduction so I call reductionism versus holism medicine is a one disease one cause one mechanism so forth the opposite of reductionism so medicine is reductionist in nature they've already emphasized enough enough one one one two kind of thing nutrition is holus the one that wins the day as far as health Halas produces health medicine does not do that very well at all this is the China Study that many of you may know I just got informed who recently has been now translated into 48 languages which I'm told the record for I've spoken quite frankly all around the world or just subject now and I'm finding that we're all people we're all people we have different whatever and we tend to think of ourselves too exclusively at times but there is something common for all of us it's the same story the same story you know of using food to get our health and the process is really important in the process now we know eating the right food helps us more than any other single thing to bring our climate the environmental question under control that is a really big issue and I have had a chance to talk about that but our climate changes now are said to be with evidence primarily responsibility of eating long food so think about it eat the right food it actually becomes enjoyable and they take a little while to get to it but eat the right food you get health who doesn't want health for a long time in the process the health care cost bill can be dropped I'm sure by 80% the same time was to deal with environmental problem so this is a really big story the food we put in our mouths really has such an enormous implication for us as individuals for neighbors and friends other societies all well liked and so what all that leads through is something I find a very sighting that was written up to some extent in the book whole polish nutrition involves countless nutrients mechanisms and health outcomes and all favorable from plants that is homeless metabolism within a cell is infinitely complex and changing when within nano sections of time holistic Trista constitutionally I don't want to be presumptuous Ron gorgeous II guess what I'm talking about is the biological theory of relativity that's what it is as it exists in the physical world I'm saying it now we're on the cusp of really trying to understand what the devil that means and it has so much to offer and I've seen it myself from working at the policy level as well as in the laboratory and we're all caught up in it whichever level we're operating at we're kind of fascinating I'm gonna tell you about an online course we have I don't have to say this because it sounds like a pro voting is something I get no money I've never taken a cent from this operation we've had a very successful venture in this area you have an online course the in conjunction with Cornell University some of our folks are here we're really trying to emphasize that the aught that the information we're offering this course is science-based we get continued education credits for doctors and other people that are quite a group of faculty so a hundred percent online there's the information and it turns out other 400 or 300 what it is I haven't heard lately courses at Cornell University we're number one out of the 300 400 so there's two idea I think we have come of age you know tell it to talk about now with real evidence I will call a reputable evidence to show that the ideal diet is a whole food plant-based diet period we got to get on to we got to figure out how then we could take that information tell the world thank you very much okay hi Carol that thank you and I first I think this is where the world starts you folks thank you very much [Applause]

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